In this episode we are going to talk about the six things reader’s want to see when they come to your website. It’s not enough to get readers to come to our websites, we want them to stay. So we have to give them what they’re looking for when they come. But what are those things? This podcast summarizes research done by the Codex Group about what readers want from author websites.

Exclusive Content

  • 43% of respondents to the Codex Group Survey want exclusive online content.
  • This is an untapped goldmine. Provide special goodies exclusively on your site and watch your visits blast off. Give them fun stuff they would be willing to pay for. MP3’s, short stories, whole books. Go crazy.
  • Also, Google likes exclusive content so this gives you and SEO boost too.
  • Seth Godin gives more stuff away for free on his blog than most other authors. He also sells more books than most other authors. He gives stuff away on his blog only to his blog readers.
  • He has no “goodies” page.

Your Speaking Schedule

  • 36% want speaking schedules, book signings, and appearances.
  • This is really true, particularly for guys. Posting your speaking schedule can also increase your appeal as a speaker. If event planners know you bring your own crowd they will be willing to pay you more.
  • And it increases your authority.
  • An easy way to keep a speaking schedule is with the MySpeakingEvents WordPress plugin.

 Recommended Books

  • 36% want to see recommended books; “explainers,” or inside information about the book.
  • The extras …
  • This is also a great way to make a little extra money on the side since Amazon will give you a commission on any book sales you refer using their affiliate program.
  • Garr Reynolds does book recommendations well. He doesn’t just recommend a book, he explains the gist of the book visually. He also has a list of recommended books along the right side of his site.
  • What books inspired your books?
  • The MyBookTable plugin is a great way to create a bookstore of the books you recommend.

Book News

Your Contact Information

  • Nothing is more frustrating for readers than to dig up an author’s website only to not be able to contact that author. Setup an email address just for getting reader feedback. The practice of corresponding with readers is centuries old. C.S. Lewis used to spend hours hand-writing responses to his readers’ letters. If he can do that, the least you can do is give people your email.
  • Amazing “mind reader” reveals his gift: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7pYHN9iC9I
  • As Rob Eagar says, “Don’t Play Hide & Seek with Your Readers.”
  • Google Voice

Your Social Network Information

  • Are you on Facebook, LinkedIn or Twitter? Make sure to include buttons so that your readers can connect to you on those networks.

Good Photos

  • People don’t want to see piles of text when they come to your site. They don’t want to read a welcome letter. They also don’t want to see that snapshot your husband took of you in the backyard.
  • You don’t need photos of you necessarily but you need photos of something.
  • The age of your photos …

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Transcript

Thomas: [00:00:02] Episode 156

Jim: [00:00:03] I’m James L. Rubart. But go ahead and call me Jim.

Thomas: [00:00:07] I’m Thomas Umstattd Jr …

Jim: [00:00:08] And in this episode guys, we’re going to talk to you about the six things that readers want to see when they come to your Web site. It’s not enough to get readers to come to the website, right, Thomas? We need them to stay on our Web site so they don’t bounce off. It’s interesting when you look at some of the bounce rates … if some of you use Google Analytics and look at the bounce rates … you can see that there are a lot of people that might come to your site be there for a second and then be gone. It’s because we’re not giving them these six things so that’s what we’re going to dive into in this episode.

Thomas: [00:00:42] And just real quick, bounce rate is the number of people who visit your website and leave without visiting any other pages. They come in and they leave. And in general, high bounce rate is a bad thing especially for e-commerce. If you’re a blogger though, a high bounce rate on a blog post is not necessarily bad. Which you want to pay attention to instead is is how much time someone is spending so if they come in they spend five minutes reading your blog post and then leave, then that was still a positive encounter. And so in this episode we’re going to talk about how to pull your bounce rate down but also how to have people spend more time on your Web site so that they fall more in love with you and ultimately buy more of your books. And I should say this episode is based off of research … actual science.

Jim: [00:01:28] It isn’t just our opinion this is really the truth. I like that

Thomas: [00:01:31] There there will be some opinion in here … sprinkled amongst the science …

Thomas: [00:01:41] So this research is done a few years ago by the Codex Group. We’ll link to that in the show notes if you want. And if you want to see the results of that. But the first thing at the Codex you mentioned is exclusive content … 43 percent of respondents want exclusive online content. So Jim why is this so important?

Jim: [00:02:03] Well they want to feel like they’re getting something that no one else is getting. They want the behind the scenes, they want the special goodies that are exclusively on your site and aren’t just being posted all over Facebook. That’s I think that’s just the way we’re made, Thomas. We we want that exclusivity and so what do we give them? Well we can give them fun things like MP3s we can give them short stories, which we talk a lot about, we could give them whole books. I really think people can go crazy on this and just use their imagination. It can be shots from the novel … say your novel is set in Cannon Beach like one of mine is. Give them shots. They shots are on the website but they’re not going to see them on social media. They’re not going to see them anywhere else but on your Web site. So they start to get this feeling, “Ooh. If I’m going to see some some of this really cool stuff. I have got to go to the site to do it.”

Thomas: [00:02:54] Yeah if somebody is going to visit your Web site you need a compelling why as to why they should visit your website and if your Web site is just a web version of the last page of your book with your bio and your photo there’s no good reason to come and visit your Web site. So don’t feel bad if your Web site doesn’t get any visitors. So if you want to have visitors you’ve got to find something to put on your Web site that is worth visiting. If you’re going to throw a party you’ve got to have some food, you’ve got have entertainment, you’ve got to have some reason to come to the party … if your party is an empty room with no one in it including yourself because you didn’t come to your own party, no one else is going to come to your party … and I feel like for a lot of authors that’s what their Web sites are. It’s an empty room. They unlock the door and they’re like, “Why is my room still empty?” And it’s like cause you didn’t bring the party. You got to set out the food, you’ve got to send out invitations.

Thomas: [00:03:45] You have to actually host the party so to speak. I will say when it comes to exclusive content this isn’t just what readers are looking for it’s also what Google is looking for. So Google puts a lot of weight on exclusive content … if everything on your Web site can be found somewhere else on the web like on Amazon … Google may assume that your Web site is actually a spam site that’s just stealing content, which is very common. There’s lots of Web sites out there. The reason you don’t ever see them though is because Google banishes them to what’s called Google purgatory or also known as supplementary results. So you want to have some exclusive content … something special that’s unique to your Web site not just for the humans but also for the robots.

Jim: [00:04:45] Yes. Think of your website as kind of the backstage pass … you want to give people a backstage pass to the concert where they can go after the show. And there’s this after show party and they’re getting conversation with the band members and that kind of thing. That’s what you’re giving them, or wanting to give them.

Thomas: [00:05:01] That’s right. A good example of doing this well Seth Godin. He gives more stuff away on his blog than most authors … so having a blog on your Web site makes it a lot easier to have exclusive content and to give things away for free. But also think about PDAF downloads and companions for your book. The more goodies you have the better and even a page named goodies or freebies is going to be a very popular page on your Web site

Jim: [00:05:30] What’s number two, Thomas? What’s the number two thing that people want to find?

Thomas: [00:05:35] Your speaking schedule. I found myself doing this and going to an author’s Web site and looking for a speaking schedule. This is particularly true for nonfiction. Some of these will apply more to fiction than nonfiction …. novelists can speak and some of them do but for nonfiction especially if you have a platform already this, may be the primary drive. Some of you listening consider yourself a speaker who writes rather than a writer who speaks and if you’re that kind of person there’s a good chance people are wanting to see the next time you’re speaking. They want to come and here you speak or see where you’re speaking. And my guess is you don’t have that on your Web site right now  … your upcoming list of engagements speaking engagements is completely unfindable. And by not allowing that to be found you’re reducing your potential audience. And also you’re making yourself less appealing as a speaker to book because if I know if I’m coordinating an event and I know you’re going to help promote my event on your website and you have a link for people to come, well now I’m more likely to book you because you’re going to help me with my biggest challenge which is getting bodies in seats.

Jim: [00:06:49] And the other thing it does for you is it increases your authority. If someone sees, “Oh my gosh this person spoke ten times last year and they’re thinking of booking you. It’s not. Oh I hope they are OK. It shows that you’ve done it. You’ve had success doing it. You continue to get booked. You’ve been booked in the past. It increases your authority.

Thomas: [00:07:11] That’s right. And of course our plug in, My Speaking Events which we developed at Author Media, specifically crafted to solve this problem … when we designed this plugin there was no other way to solve the showing upcoming events problem. Now if you’re using a theme like Divi you can do it yourself pretty easily. Just create an events page that you update manually. But my speaking events makes it easier and you can find out more about that at My Speaking Events dot com. All right. So number three recommended books. So Jim, the Codex Group says 36 percent of people want to see recommended books. Does this mean people want to see you recommending your own book?

Jim: [00:07:56] No that’s not what we’re talking about here. They want inside information about the book. They want the Easter eggs they want the trivia. They want the things that the average reader is not going to know if they just grab it off amazon or grab it out of the library and read the book. They want the inside scoop. Again it’s like you and I have talked about often, Thomas it’s the extras …. nowadays if you rent a DVD you don’t get the extras you have to actually buy the DVD to get the extras …. and they want those extras that you’re not going to get somewhere else.

Thomas: [00:08:30] And we were talking a few episodes ago about short stories. And believe it or not, DVDs now include short stories. Every Marvel DVD comes with something called A Marvel short, which is an in universe story about some of the minor characters and the only way to watch that video is to actually have purchased the movies, so you’re rewarded for buying that Marvel film. But recommending other people’s books is really key. So if you’re going to be an author you need to be a reader, you need to be reading other people’s books, and why not share those recommendations. The books that you like. Why not post them to your blog? An author who does this really well is Gahr Reynolds who has had a huge impact on my life. If you ever seen me speak live and you’ve seen how I use Keynote or PowerPoint you’ll notice that I don’t use bullet points and I use big beautiful photos instead. Reynolds is a big reason for why I do it that way. His book and blog presentations really influenced how I approach this. But another thing that he does I found incredibly helpful was that he didn’t just recommend books, he visually explained the gist of the book and I went on to read some of the books that he recommended and those books changed my life.

Thomas: [00:09:46] So his influence was multiplied not just from his book but the other books that he recommended. And for a lot of authors they approached their website very selfishly. It’s all about them and it’s only about their books and if they read a book that they like they’re not talking about it on their website. And this is a missed opportunity for that … you need content … but it’s also a missed opportunity to make a little bit of money referring somebody to somebody else’s book. Barnes Noble has an affiliate program. Amazon has an affiliate program … if you recommend somebodies book on your Web site, Amazon will give you a little something something for sending people there. So why not make a little bit of money on the side helping connect your readers with other good books that are similar to yours. Remember the pie can get bigger we can all read more books. We just need to find good books to read

Jim: [00:10:36] And a fun way to do this, a creative way to do, is I’m guessing most of you had a number of influences on your book. So where did your book come from? Well I got a little bit from this TV show and I got a little bit from this movie and I got a little bit from this book and I got a little bit from this book. Wouldn’t it be fun to describe, “Oh my gosh I was inspired by this book. And there’s the link to amazon. I was inspired by this movie and here’s a link to Amazon where you can buy that movie.” It’s a fun way to give your readers behind the scenes info, and like Thomas is saying, at the same time, some of those people are going to go “Oh wow now I see that was in the novel. They’re going to go to Amazon and potentially bring you a little affiliate money.

Thomas: [00:11:16] And the best way to do this is through your blog, in my opinion, but you can also use a plugin like my book table to create a bookstore of books that you recommend. And I think especially if you’re writing nonfiction and there are other books on your topic that you really think are good companions to your book add those books to your My Book Table page. Build out a kind of resource for your topic and become the destination place for people who have questions about that topic. They’re going to go somewhere why not invite them to your place? I remember when I was in college a friend of mine was like an older college student at the time. He had this giant TV and an Xbox and stuff and his house was always full of kids, because he’s like, “The kids are going to play somewhere. I’d rather them play here where I can keep an eye on them and his house is like the coolest house for kids and he was able to keep an eye on his kids and he kept an eye on all the other neighborhood kids too. You know you can think of it that way with your book and your website as well. People are going to be talking about books. They’re gonna be recommending books. They might as well be doing that on your site rather than some other site. All right. Number four is book news 33 percent of respondents said that they want a weekly e-mail newsletter bulletins with updates on tours, reviews, and books in progress. This is key. People want to know about books in progress. This is one of the top things people are coming to a Web site of an author to look for … what is the status of an upcoming book? The question is can they find that out on your Web site and of course an easy way to do this is with a plugin like my book progress where you can show progress bar. But there are many other ways to do this. Jim?

Jim: [00:13:08] Who created this cool my book progress wordpress Plug-In?

Thomas: [00:13:12] (Laughs) I did … it’s another free plugin from Author Media. We do have a paid version, but most people are very happy with the free version. My book progress dot com …. and you want to let your visitors feel like they’re in the in crowd and they know when something’s come up that’s affected the timeline of the book. Like I just signed a contract for book number three in the series. Oh I just got the flu and I’m running behind schedule. Please pray for me or, oh I just made a huge breakthrough with my characters …  put that kind of blow to blow blow by blow stuff on your website or at the very least a, “I just finished the first draft.” Now maybe you don’t get that much in the weeds but letting people know when you finished the draft is really key. See the news on your Web site going hand in hand with your newsletter. So on author media often when we’ll do a blog post we’ll also do an e-mail newsletter with that same information so that some people get it from the blog. Some people get it from e-mail. We don’t write something from scratch. We put it out in both places and we found that to be a very effective approach.

Jim: [00:14:18] And a lot of you’re saying no I don’t want to duplicate I don’t want to offend these people who say, “What? I already saw that.” Honestly you do not have to worry about that … frequency sells and when you are shouting to the people it sounds like a whisper. And we’ve used that phrase before but take it into your heart and know that it’s OK to have some frequency it’s OK to get it out a number of different places and like Thomas says, the results are  there. It will help you.

Thomas: [00:14:44] And most people are only engaging with you through one venue. They’re not following on Twitter and following on Facebook and subscribed to your e-mail and subscribed to your blog. I mean you wish, right? In a perfect world we have super fans like, oh my gosh I follow you everywhere. But chances are those of you listening don’t follow novel marketing on Twitter or you’re not a part of the novel marketing Facebook listeners Facebook group … which is amazing by the way and you should all join it. But I’m guessing most of you listening are not a part of that. In fact I know you’re not from our stats, and you may or may not get novel marketing e-mail newsletters, you may or may not be subscribed to new episodes of this podcast in an app on your phone. Some of you, probably our patrons, are doing most of that, but I’m guessing most of you are doing just one of those things and that’s going to be the same with people visiting your website. They’re only giving you one avenue and if you skip any of the avenues you’re not going to reach that person. All right. Number five is probably the most controversial on this list and that is your contact information. People are terrified to share their contact information. But this is really important especially if you’re wanting to get contacted by the press. They need to be able to get a hold of you. So there’s the hierarchy of contact information … at the base level you have a contact form which hopefully you have at least that. And if not that’s the bare minimum. Next up is an e-mail address. Next up from that is a phone number and next up from that is an address they can mail you letters. I’m not necessarily saying to put your own home address on there, although I could find the home address of anyone of you listening just from your name online. So don’t feel like hiding your home address somehow makes it safe. This information is very available if you’ve ever gotten a credit card or a magazine. Your information is for sale because that’s part of how they make their money, selling your information to data brokers who know where you are. So if you get junk mail your address is purchasable online for probably two or three dollars.

Jim: [00:16:52] And you would be shocked at how much how much information even somebody that’s moderately comfortable with tech can find out about you for free. Within minutes … there was, Thomas I don’t know if you ever saw this … this was years ago and you could probably still find it on YouTube. Maybe I’ll put it in the show notes but it was this venue where they invited people in to have have a psychic do mind reading and the people would sit down and this mystic guru guy would just start describing all these intimate details of their lives and they knew they’d never met him before and all they gave was their name. And after about five minutes of revealing all this detailed information operations and Social Security numbers and all this, they would whip back a curtain and there was this team of people at laptops basically just finding out all this information in seconds. So this idea that, well I’m not going to give my home address I’m going to do a P.O. box instead … really folks, if people want to, they can get the information very easily. So as Thomas is saying please do not be scared to give that information out because the people who come there, they want to be able to contact you easily. They want to feel like you are friends

Thomas: [00:18:08] I use a P.O. box but the main reason I use a pay a P.O. Box frankly it’s because as a millennial I knew when I moved to Austin from college that millennials move around a lot and I knew I was going to be moving around a lot and my mailing address would keep changing and I wanted a permanent mailing address and that ended up being so smart. So I have lived in half a dozen different places over the last ten years but I’ve had the same P.O. Box that I’ve been able to keep with me. And so I am not living out of my parent’s mailbox for important communications like a lot of millennials do and a PO Box allowed me to do that. So I’m not saying you have to put your mailing address on your Web site ..

Jim: [00:18:48] I’m not saying I’m not saying that either but but at least it’s a way a way to get a hold of you.

Thomas: [00:18:54] Right. But I am saying that you not having your mailing address on your website is reducing the amount of fan mail you get physical fan mail and physical fan gifts like having readers mail you a gift because you touch them with your book is not something that you just miss out on. And there’s no way to mail you something so just realize that … and then some of you are like, I don’t get my phone number away … people might call me. I’ll tell you. Author media has a phone number on the top of our website and it almost never gets calls by somebody visiting the website. It just rarely happens. We have tens of thousands of visitors now. If you’re nervous about getting calls at midnight or whatever, you can sign up for a Google Voice number which I believe is free. It was free and I signed up. I think it’s still free now. And with Google voice you can get a second phone number. It will ring to your cell phone if you want it to. But you can also set a schedule so I want it to ring to my cell phone but only between 9:00 in the morning and 5:00 o’clock in the evening. And otherwise I want it to go to voicemail and it’s very powerful and it’s very safe way to share a phone number. Because if somebody from the New York Times is writing an article and they want a quote from you and their deadline is in two hours. How are they going to get a hold of you right now? And if there’s no way for them to get a hold of you right now they’re not going to get a hold of you and if you’re wondering why the New York Times is not calling it’s maybe because there’s no way they can call it because you don’t have a phone number on your Web site. And there’s a cost you not sharing that … there’s a great article on Author Media written by Rob eager where he makes the case, don’t play hide and seek with your readers and especially don’t play hide and seek with the press. We’ll talk more about how to get interviewed by the press in a future episode. We are working on it and I’m very excited but I won’t I won’t say any more. All right so related to contact information is the sixth …

Jim: [00:20:46] Hey, one more thing on that, Thomas and that is, I have switched my e-mail address over to Gmail so I’m doing most of my things on Gmail now. James L. Rubart at gmail dot com. See there you go. So you’ve got my e-mail address … and I wanted to get this one particular blog that I love … subscribed to that e-mail address. So I went to the blog and … I’m not going to say the name because a lot of you wouldn’t know the name of this blog. And I searched and searched and searched and could not find a place to subscribe to the blog. So we suggest if you’re a blogger on your Web site even check that … that’s part of being able to contact you. See how easy is it for somebody to subscribe to you blog.

Thomas: [00:21:31] That’s really good. And related to that of course your social network information … there’s a certain kind of person coming to you who is just looking for your social network information. I will say for my other show Creative Funding Show, I’m often reaching out to people to invite them to come on the show as a guest … they have a Patreon page … and I am often searching and searching for contact information. I’m like, “I want to promote you! I want to promote the way that you make money and encourage people to give you more money just give me a way to contact you directly!” And very rarely am I able to find that it’s often very frustrating. And for some people they just don’t get in contact with me. So they would have been invited on the show, but now they’re not because their contact information is so hard to find. And if I can’t find direct contact information the next way I will often try to reach out to them is on social media so I’ll look for a link to facebook a link to LinkedIn or their Twitter. So you want to put very prominent or at least very obvious links to your social media. This is an improvement we’ve made on the Novel Marketing website actually now have a link not just our social networks but also to our new YouTube channel for people who want to subscribe to Novel Marketing on YouTube. There’s now a little YouTube icon in the banner of our Web site.

Jim: [00:22:55] Love it. So Thomas I’m not sure if this is number six or number seven maybe we’re giving them a bonus idea here.

Thomas: [00:23:03] Yes. So number number five was contact information number six was your social network links. And then finally, number seven is good photos. This just kind of applies to your Web site as a whole. But good photography is what makes a difference between and a good website and a bad website. Often when someone sees a beautiful template and they copy that template and it looks terrible for them they’re like, “Why is this so terrible?” And the reason it looks terrible is because what made the template look good was good photography and they’re using their own bad photography. It makes the site look bad. So you can’t make a site look any better than the photography … fancy design won’t fix bad photos and a bad design can be saved with good photos. So it’s really all about those photos. Invest in getting good photos, invest in getting good headshots. We’ve done some episodes in the past, I’ll try to put some links in the show notes on how to take good photos … learn about the fundamentals of lighting. We all have really fancy cameras with smartphones but most people don’t understand how to light the photo, and just Googling it and just watching a 5 minute video on how to light a photo can change the rest of your photos for the rest of your life. So if you have a camera and you take photos with that camera you owe it to yourself to study just a little bit on how photography works and how light works and how to have better photos. Because if those photos end up on your website they’ll really make a difference. Another type of cheat or hack or shortcut if you will, is to buy photos from somebody else who knows how to take great photos or buy stock photos.

Jim: [00:24:44] And that’s what you should do. You should have professional headshots done. There are so many sites out there now with high quality … a lot of them free, license free where you can grab these things for free. And so there’s no excuse not to have great high quality photos on your site. And we encourage you … and there’s some debate on this … but my opinion is when they go to your site they need to see you. Your photo of you on that site. Very quickly, hopefully on the home page, certainly on the About page because that’s part of why somebody goes to a site, why a reader goes to a site … “I wonder what this guy looks like.” And the other thing is, I know we all want to look good. We feel like we look better when we were younger but please don’t use the 15 year old photo, use one that’s current

Thomas: [00:25:31] And the real simple reason why, is you don’t want people to meet you and have their first thought to be like, Oh wow that person looks bad because …

Jim: [00:25:38] Or where’s the author?

Thomas: [00:25:40] Yeah, because they’re comparing you to a younger version of yourself. Just be confident in who you are. Embrace who you are. You are exactly who you are meant to be in. Don’t be afraid of that and I realize it’s easier said than done. I definitely struggle with that myself. But anyway, just just own it … I found the episode, it’s 98, Seven Tips for best selling author portraits and we’ll have a link to that in the show notes. Alright so this episode is brought to you by the five year plan to becoming a best selling author. Jim

Jim: [00:26:21] The five year overnight plan to be coming a bestselling author.

Thomas: [00:26:24] Five years of nights …

Jim: [00:26:27] So Thomas and I created this plan … it’s really a step by step guide through the five first five years of your writing career. Because most authors starting out … on average it takes 10 years from the time they start this journey to the time they get published and essentially Thomas and I took …  I took what I learned through my process of becoming a published author and Thomas took his vast research from working with hundreds of authors … and we put this together into a plan and we tell you exactly what to do. Quarter by quarter for five years. And yes we guarantee by the end of it, if you follow our plan, you will become a best selling author. So if you want to check out this course, we’ve had great feedback from the people who’ve gone through it before, and also if you say after 30 days of having you go, “Yeah this thing isn’t for me.” Great. Say it didn’t work for me and will give you your money back. Anyway you can learn all about it at Novel Marketing dot com slash courses. The five year plan to become a best selling author

Thomas: [00:27:28] And I should say it’s within those 30 days, you have 30 days for whatever reason … money back guarantee. You don’t get to say after five years I didn’t try it and it didn’t work because we guarantee you it’s not going to work if you don’t actually …

Jim: [00:27:44] Do the work …

Thomas: [00:27:45] Speaking of courses we are in, as we record this, in the middle of our book launch blueprint course and that has been so fun.

Jim: [00:27:56] It’s been great, yeah.

Thomas: [00:27:57] We’ve doing this one differently, where everyone is going through the course together. Everyone is doing day five together day six together. And the facebook group is one of the most active Facebook groups I’ve ever been a part of.

Jim: [00:28:09] Seriously.

Thomas: [00:28:09] It’s a little overwhelming. And you know, we didn’t promise we were going to comment on everyone’s post. I’m glad we didn’t because wow, I’d be doing nothing but Facebook this whole time. But it’s great to see the growth in the students and the aha’s. And I’m just really enjoying it. So we’re going to lean towards doing this in the future with more of our courses I think because I can see why people are doing this

Jim: [00:28:32] And I haven’t talked to Thomas or Mary about this but given what’s happening I think we’re probably going to do the book launch course again. So if you’re saying aw, shoot, I missed out on that, don’t worry we’ll do it again sometime.

Thomas: [00:28:44] And a quick update on the baby. The baby is still not here. My wife is very much ready to give birth but the baby is taking its time. So we are waiting …. although she’s at 37 weeks. So we have a few more weeks to go before she’s officially full term. But if I disappear for a couple of weeks you will know why. And Jim I hear you just got nominated for yet another award.

Jim: [00:29:14] Yeah. So I got my fifth Christy nomination. Just found that out this morning and the funny thing, Thomas is, my book came out in February of 2018 and I thought it was calendar year. I thought the book had to be published in 2017 but apparently the cutoff was March so I just got in under the wire so I didn’t even know I’d had a chance to be nominated and then I found an e-mail from my publisher this morning saying congratulations you’re a finalist for the Christy award.

Thomas: [00:29:44] That’s awesome. What category are you nominated.

Jim: [00:29:47] So I’m in the visionary category.

Thomas: [00:29:50] That’s awesome. All right. Our featured patron is The Time Drifter series by Laura Lynch. Explore ancient civilizations from a Christian worldview in the historical fantasy Time Drifter series just her series which is appropriate for all ages.

Jim: [00:30:05] And … you probably know this, but you have been listening to James L. Rubart and Thomas Umstattd Jr. on the Novel Marketing podcast, giving you novel ideas on how to promote yourself and your writing off line, online, and everywhere in between. Thank you so much for listening,

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